JP Sears

I think so. I’ve got the big red button here ready to be pushed. I appreciate you Kamala and Luis having me on.

It’s a pleasure to be here with you guys.

JP Sears

Being ultra spiritual essentially is not being spiritual. Learning how to be ultra spiritual has nothing to do with being spiritual. It’s a looking spiritual as a way of your ego building up a sense of significance at an egotistical level and sometimes, superiority to other people. To me, that’s really what being ultra-spiritual is.

JP Sears

I think one of the challenges for us when we’re acting out our version of ultra spirituality rather than authentic spirituality is we don’t know we’re doing it. We still have the adopted spiritual phraseology. We might be using the given spiritual practice. We call it a spiritual practice not, “Oh, this is an ultra spiritual boost for me. I’m going to make my ego feel gratified here.” I think that’s one of the challenges when we’re ultra spiritual in our actual life.

It’s hard to recognize when we’re ultra spiritual. Because we might actually be doing the same things that we would be doing to be authentically spiritual. It’s just our “why” behind it can be very different. We need to educate ourselves with how to be ultra spiritual.

JP Sears

I don’t know that I have really identified my why yet. Being open and curious about my why I think is what’s important to me. I wish I could give some kind of formula for understanding what an actual sense of certainty what our, “why” is. Knowing how to be ultra spiritual may help us with that.

JP Sears

I go, “Yeah, I’m being genuine in this moment.” Or “Yeah, I’m just being delusional and egotistical in this moment.” I think maybe when we feel absolutely certain about something. Maybe that’s when we’re being most delusional. I’m not totally sure your views about how to be ultra spiritual.

So I think having a curious attitude, knowing that yes, it is possible. I might just be losing myself in this moment and it might be possible that I’m making a genuine connection with myself in this moment.

I think the curiosity in seeing both possibilities is what maybe keeps us open. I think when we see the cliff on the edge of the mountain, we’re much less likely to fall off the edge of the cliff that we see. I think better the cliff that we don’t see, we’re more likely to fall off the edge. And not necessarily realize we’ve fallen off the edge when we do.

I do enjoy being mindful of your true curiosity, of what I might call, “The shadow side of spirituality,” which is essentially what I call, “Ultra spirituality.” Mindfulness plays an important role in learning how to be ultra spiritual.

I also think something that maybe not a lot of us do, maybe a lot of us do. I don’t really know. But, I think a lot of us deserve to give ourselves our definition of, “What is spirituality to me at least in this moment so that I at least have a better awareness of what I’m aiming for?”

We know the term spirituality and it’s used in many different abstract ways. Knowing how to be ultra spiritual has nothing to do with it.

We deserve to define what spirituality means to us right now. So we know what we’re actually doing and aiming for and what we’re trying to give ourselves through a given experience or practice.

JP Sears

Dogma, what that means to my delusional mind is when I believe that things are the way they seemed to be to me.

There’s some kind of Zen saying, which says “Nothing is as it seems” and to me, dogma is the opposite of that, “This is how it seems to me so that’s how it is.”

I think when we’re in a dogmatic place, we really believe our beliefs. We’re really attached to our beliefs, and I think a non-dogmatic place is a place where we have our beliefs but we don’t believe our beliefs, as much anyway.

Beliefs are important aspects in knowing how to be ultra spiritual. Trying to bypass them is probably just that, bypassing not actual connection to self.

Dogma, if I could have more thought about what that is, dogma is a psychological mechanism that we use to comfort ourselves.

Life is a huge mystery that we can’t comprehend, and there are few things more frightening to the human ego than mystery or the unknown.

JP Sears

When we’re in the state of fear, we feel uncomfortable. Know how to be ultra spiritual to avoid that.  Some would say, “Real life happens outside of our comfort zones.” So that means we actually need the courage to be afraid to walk outside of our comfort zone.

If that’s all half true, that means we also develop mechanisms to comfort ourselves about this mystery of life.

Dogma comforts us because it erases our awareness about the mystery of life. We become certain, rigid and righteous about our beliefs.

A contrary to the Buddha’s wishes, we become incredibly attached to our beliefs not because they’re true, but because we feel comfortable. We feel more in control when we can believe that our beliefs are true. It gives us sense of the illusion of certainty and stability in life.

JP Sears

Yeah. That’s a huge, huge truth. That resonates for me too Luis. I emphasize on learning how to be ultra spiritual .

What you speak to is one of the most basic and therefore, most powerful human needs which is the need to belong to a group, a tribe to something bigger than herself.

So sometimes, we stay stuck in our beliefs. Because at a deeper level, our beliefs represent to us the membership card of belonging to something bigger than us. That might be a religion. It might be our family like, “I’ll keep the same family values even if they’re killing me but at least I’ll belong. I’ll be a member of my tribe” and I think that’s very interesting.

To me, what your statement really brings up going beyond what you believe. It brings up a more important question, why do you believe what you believe. I think that’s getting a little bit more to the heart of the matter.

What we believe doesn’t matter as much but why we believe what we believe maybe has more meaning to it.

JP Sears

By the way, what’s a true belief and false belief is probably just same thing. It’s just one belief will serve us better in a given moment. At least I mean with a truer belief.

Helping people to help themselves peel back old beliefs is synonymous with helping people make themselves more uncomfortable in their life.

JP Sears

It’s in a way, it can be a thinkless job. I think at the end of a good session with a client, part of them will be resenting themselves and me for the session.

They’ll resent themselves for having signed up for this session and then hopefully that resenting me, is a good sign that something was taken away.

JP Sears

Some kind of old scar tissue of the psyche that was binding their life and some kind of constrictive way.  But it was comfortable because it was familiar. If it was taken away, then they’re all be that resentment if I don’t have as much comfort as I once did. If we boil human beings down to two, simple motivations, at least when we’re in a reactive state, we’re motivated by two things.

1. Avoid pain.
2. Seek pleasure.

Those two really boiled down to one thing; seek comfort. Because of course, pleasure is comfortable and avoiding pain is comfortable. We do that in familiar ways and I think that really serves our self-preservation instincts well. Seek pleasure, avoid pain. That’s going to take that one and that’s going to help you live a long life. Maybe not a good life or not a quality of life but it will give you more quantity of life.

I got some principle of nature that’s going to serve us all pretty well. But if we start worshiping that, then our whole life is run by this simple self-preservation mechanism. It basically says, “The purpose of life is to be comfortable.”

Like what I mentioned a while ago.

The quality or the meaning of life is not found inside our comfort zone.

Brene Brown is a wonderful author. I’ve never read any of her books but I love listening to her talks. Actually, I’ve only heard two of her talks.

JP Sears

I know.

Brene Brown, she’s authored 12 books. I haven’t read any of them but one quote that’s somewhere in one of her books I’ve never read is a beautiful quote. It says something on the lines of, “He or she who is willing to be the most uncomfortable is not only the bravest but rises the highest.”

What, “rises the highest” means to me is not some shallow sense of achievement or status. To me, it’s about meaning rises the highest into a sense of meaning in their life. We can’t do that when we’re bound in the old scar tissue beliefs. Such beliefs are nothing but slaves to our self-preservation mechanism that says, “Seek comfort” therefore, seek pleasure, avoid pain.

When we get into a different place in life, there’s something happened where we’ve reached the pinnacle. This is typically a client I’m working with or typically people who are really going into their heart. They’ve reached a place where they no longer have satisfaction, just surviving life.

We’re going to have that kind of satisfaction for a few decades but eventually, we reach a beautiful place of feeling this horrendous sense of emptiness in life and I think that’s a beautiful place because it’s our savior.

JP Sears

If we never had this uncomfortable sense of emptiness that we just can’t fill up with achievements, status, money, and relationship. Then we wouldn’t be motivated to leave our self-preservation, master leap and serving and go towards more of a self-realization state of being.

Self-realization, sometimes defies our self-preservation instincts. Self-preservation, avoid pain. Self-realization, pain is there. Embrace it.

There’s meaning, mystery, lessons, and wisdom in pain.

JP Sears

Self-realization, third eye, but our self-preservation root chakras says, “No. Death, that’s what pain will give me. It will give me potential death.”

That’s why I think a good session with a client or if you read a book that actually speaks to your heart. Then I think it’s actually normal for us to resent that thing. Because it’s our self-preservation mechanism resenting something that just took away our comfort. Then, if we listen to the gratitude, the parts of us that are geared around self-realization that are waking up like, “Okay, there’s more to life than just surviving life. There’s something about living life that I want to experience.”

Self-realization is synonymous with living life.

That part of us will have synonymous gratitude.

At this point, I’ve horrendously lost sight of the beautiful question you mentioned. However, those are my thoughts about whatever was asked.

JP Sears

First of all, thank you Kamala. I think your perspective, I judge it to be incredibly wise. I loved your views on how to be ultra spiritual.

JP Sears

You’re welcome. It’s probably just arrogant of me because I agree with you. So yeah, that’s a lot of wisdom about how to be ultra spiritual.

You have a beautiful perspective.

We need to remind ourselves from different angles to be present in this moment.

What you eluded to, if a given practice whether it’s spiritual practice, or nutrium practice. If it served me well 10 years ago. Then if I’m still believing it serves me well without questioning that, then it means I’m stuck in the past.

Part of me is devoted to 10 years ago instead of being present right now. To me, what’s helpful is to remind myself this reminder:

The path I take to find myself can become the path that I’ll lose myself on.

In another way, what helps me can eventually hurt me.

It’s just like someone who’s being B12 deficient. The foods their body will crave and that will make them feel really good, will be foods with a lot of B12 in them. Once that person’s brought up to balance, like, B12 is good. You don’t need to eat such exaggerated amount of those foods. But if they keep eating them, they can start to go out of balance in the other direction.

JP Sears

So I think the reminders that there’s a paradox. The very thing that will help me can eventually hurt me. I think that just needs a little bit of recalibration in the moment to ask myself, what serves now? This thing that served me then, like, “Oh! Thank God. I’m so grateful for it.”

It did serve me well and does it still serve me? I need to have the awareness about how to be ultra spiritual. It might still serve me and it might actually be a disservice. If I can’t recognize that it could be both. Then I’ll probably just be dogmatically stuck in the past believing that it’s helping me when it might actually not be.

However, if I can realize, “It could be helping. It could be hurting me.” Then I’ll be able to be a little bit more objective if there ever was such a thing. Discerning if this is still helpful to me or not in knowing .

JP Sears

It is a good life too.

The structure of routines versus the structurelessness of spontaneity. I love that you brought it up because it’s something I pay attention to. I won’t pretend that I’m in balance with it but I will pretend that I’m aiming for my balance.

I found some place of being out of balance with being unroutine. It doesn’t feel supportive to me. I feel like I need some kind of structure, which then allows me to go beyond the structure.

It’s what some artist would call, “A creative constrain.” There are some routines, not a claustrophobic. It’s cementing me in. Again, I’m not pretending I’m balanced.

Knowing The Creative Constraints And Learning How To Be Ultra Spiritual

The first roughly 45 minutes of my day is pretty structured. My assistant wasn’t lying about that part.

I wake up. I go for a walk. I do a gratitude practice, breathing practice, and that’s a structure that present day feels supportive to me. Stay in touch with that because eventually it may not and it’s weird. There are places in my schedule that are structured to allow the structurelessness of spontaneity. It’s like basically space on my schedule, which is very ironic. Because it’s like a structure to offer the structurelessness.

Then the other thing that I’ve found in my life is at times, I box myself in. I start feel like this 5 year old who’s a prisoner, and there is no time to play. It’s just light isn’t fun because the whole darn thing is predictable. There are no surprises and that is suffocating.

I’m fascinated at being on the journey of trying to find my balance and learn how to be ultra spiritual. I love that you brought it up. I’m curious for you guys. If you feel like you’re in a place of balance with lack of routine or some kind of routine, I’d be curious what your secrets are in finding the balance.

JP Sears

I love it. Some of the wisdom that I’m definitely learning from you first off we’re all different.

What you need can be different from what you needed yesterday.

JP Sears

So if you worked 5 days in a row. Then your needs for routine are very different where you need a lot less of it. I think that really reminds me of an important lesson about myself that is probably always been there.

How To Be Ultra Spiritual And Feel Purposeful

I was just traveling for about 3 weeks. Doing things I felt very purposeful, very important for me to commit to. I went doing these things so when I’m traveling, my schedule has breathing room in it. It’s very structured. Then, when I’m back from travel, what I’m learning is I need to account for, “I need that.” I need to swing to the other direction.

It might be a dramatic swing as you mention to find my sense of balance. Like, where I need time, where there’s just nothing scheduled. So that I can find my center of gravity again or else, I’ll just resent whatever I’m doing. I could have done that too much to learn how to be ultra spiritual.

JP Sears

Yeah. I’d love to do a little bit of dance with those.

JP Sears

That’s a great question, probably the most important question anybody could ask.

I really only have three fashionable headbands. The main one that I use, I stole it from my ex-girlfriend. By stole, I mean I was basically given it by given. It was given to me by her if I was pretending like I know how to speak proper English.

Is It Difficult To Learn How To Be Ultra Spiritual

Right before we filmed the first ultra spiritual video back October 2014, she was behind the camera. I just by ready to go and I’m like, “Wait, I’m having this ultra spiritual video in new age. I should wear a headband. Do you have anything I could use for a headband?” So she brought this scarf out and tied it around my head and we stuck a flower in it. That’s where I got the main headband I use.

It used to be scarf of my ex-girlfriend.

JP Sears

It is. It feels lonely and at the same time, you can’t spell “lonely” without “onely”. So I think it simultaneously helps connect me to more oneness by being more spiritual-sesh better than everybody else.

JP Sears

I don’t drink superfoods for this reason because I’m so non-toxic. Superfoods are actually a toxin to me. So I don’t want to touch the things. Then, sun gazing, no, I don’t do that. I like to do mirror gazing.

JP Sears

And I know that you don’t know so I’m happy to give you the answer.

JP Sears

That’s a good question. The serious part of me, I don’t like that word. I feel like serious about how I don’t like the word serious.

Anyway, the sincere part of me, I guess jumps on that ship. Sometimes it actually is depending on where I’m going, what I’m doing.

Hard is not the right term but I’m very fortunate that there’s a lot of people that watched my videos. I feel so grateful when people want to come up. They recognize me and want to say, “Hey,” maybe take picture. I love doing that.

There’s also sometimes where I need to be introverted. Then having a lot of external interactions and conversations with random people. It is absolutely beautiful on one hand and then like, in another dimension, I can take my attention away from myself.

How To Be Ultra Spiritual Yet Introvert

With that is kind of one of our themes of this conversation. Being balance, just means I’m in the process of learning a new balance of like, I have got to meet my introverted needs elsewhere sometimes. So that might just mean sometimes I lock myself in my dark garage and don’t leave for 3 weeks.

JP Sears

I feel so inspired by it.

JP Sears

The only thing I feel religious about is being unreligious. So for me, my religion is devoted to not being religious at all. This is basically atheist and accept my religion a significantly more spiritual than atheism. It’s ultra spirituality. So by definition, it can’t be a religion, which is really liberating. It is also terrible in the sense that there’s no tax breaks.

JP Sears

Make sure to announce that over to social media.

JP Sears

I would be honored. I’ll go raid my ex-girlfriend’s closet next time I get a chance to see her.

JP Sears

She didn’t say that it was about the scarf but I think it was about the scarf. I mean, to me, it was painfully obvious. She had this deep sense of jealousy about how much I value the scarf.

JP Sears

Feels like that with my dog as well.